Re: Is there a way to use Linux on the E450 ?
- From: Benjamin Gawert <bgawert@xxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:57:16 +0200
* Josh McKee:
You guys spend way too much time in the OBP. Do your systems actually do anything? Likewise you're not looking for solutions in the PC environment. You're just concluding that because it's not done the same way as OBP it therefore is bad. As others are getting tired of debating with me I am tired of debating with them. You're all too anti-PC to see that these examples, most of them contrived, are not issues for the PC. The PC just does things different. And different, especially when it comes to minority platform advocates, is bad.
Well, you overlook the fact that OBP and PC BIOS were made with different targets. I agree that OBP is better from an admin side because it's much more flexible than a PC BIOS. Unlike the latter which was just made to make a PC to boot something OBP contains lots of useful tools for diagnostics and configuration which simply are not there in a PC BIOS. So yes, OBP (which is not only used by Sun but also by IBMs rs/6000 aka pSeries aka p5 and also has been used by Apple with their PPC Macs) is much more flexible, as are other approaches like the Firmware Monitor in HPs PA-RISC machines, the PROM in SGIs MIPS-based IRIX machines or EFI (successor of BIOS) in Itanium machines and intel Macs (even when Apple uses a very crippled version of EFI).
However, as you say, there already are several solutions for Business PCs, PC workstations and PC servers that provide tools for administrating huge networks without having to touch every machine physically. Of course this doesn't work with every generic PC made from the cheapest components out there, and it sometimes requires additional hardware or software. But it's available and it works. It might lack some features (i.e. like the ability to define 500 different SCSI IDs for booting) from which most of them are of doubtful value.
I also agree that there is a strong anti-PC attitude in some of the posters, but then, this newsgroup is about Sun hardware, so it's at least understandable to some degree. Of course most anti arguments are bogus since it's usually very obvious that most of them are based on some experience with a personal home PC made from generic components and not from enterprise-class PC hardware (yes, I'm aware that this comment will probably lead to "but I'm administrating a network of 500 bazillion PCs for over 50 years now and they are all crap" postings, as usual). Other "problems" with PCs are basically just a lack of knowledge (which wouldn't be a bad if it would just be admitted) combined with the fact that of course it's the fault of the crappy PC hardware and of course not the fault of the user. People tend to think that since PCs are that common in modern households they require no knowledge which simply is wrong.
But that's life...
Benjamin
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