Re: Good reasons4 NOT choosing freebsd

From: Ed Norton (Ed.Norton.fictitious_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 09/15/05 

Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:54:57 +0000 (UTC)

on Wed 14 Sep 2005 09:29:27a, "james <at> hal-pc.org" wrote in
news:43285059$0$10626$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org:

> Ed Norton wrote:
>> I KNEW winmodems were crap when I made the post. I think I
>> should still have the option of using the modem that is built
>> into the laptop and that's a winmodem. I will be using wifi,
>> but I want the option of using the modem that came with the
>> machine.
>
> Then use Windows!
> it's compairable to buying a POS from the junkyard and
> polishing the
> oxidized paint.. what you end up with is a shiney turd. why
> polish a turd?
> why bother spending hour upon hour writing code to support a
> POS
> undocumented modem to make an ignorant, ungrateful sob such as
> yourself happy?
> buy a /real/ modem and get over the fact that you bought a
> computer
> with a POS modem in it (laptop or not).
> PCMCIA hardware modem manufacturers (of which modems i
> currently have
> here in my hand):
> 3com/USR
> Xircom (now Intel)
> Viking
> Psion
> and a slew of others that I don't own but are easily available
> and still being made, because they realize that there are still
> a few people that don't like buying crap hardware.

Of course this is the kind of attitude that makes people go to other
os's than bsd. Like the computer guy on Sat. Night Live, some people
think they are superior because they wack off to technical documents
that will be irrelevant in 6 months. Face it, YOU and the tiny cadre,
relatively speaking, of BSD users are NOT in control of what mfgs.
sell/offer. Why not implement a test for people before they can
download bsd, so that you can only have things developed for you and
your geek buddies, who, not being able to get laid, spend their time
in feeble attempts to belittle others who they view as "ignorant"
because they don't want to waste their time supporting difficult to
use OS's?

>
>>>2) This group does not seem to answer new users posts.
>>>
>>>Depending on the post of course.
>>
>> Group does not engender an openess to new users. Posts that get
>> answered are the ones that rise to the necessary geek factor,
>> and, hehe, of course posts that irritate. When I'm nice, no one
>> answers, so no reason to be nice.
>
> I've been following this group for several years now and even
> some of
> mine don't get answered. Whether it be they just don't know the
> answer to my question, or I asked a stupid question, it doesn't
> matter. None of us are being paid to help and shouldn't be
> *expected* to support someone that isn't worthy of support (not
> bothering to Google or at /least/ read the man page first). If
> the subject is something like "xyzport doesn't work" then i
> normally skip over it because the body of the message usually
> contains even less about the real problem.
>
>> them. So why haven't any of you come up with a solution? Do you
>> even want BSD to be used my more people, not just the inner
>> circle?

Because I don't want to devote hours to just getting an os working,
that's why. When I buy a car I don't spend my time improving the
engineering and components of the car, I just expect it to work. When
you buy a telephone that does not work out of the box, do you take it
apart and start reengineering it to get it to work? I'm here to use
computers and os's not to build them. Unless you use computers in
your work, the return on them is questionable in terms of the time
invested. When I purchase medication at the pharmacy, I don't spend
my time learning to become a pharmacologist in order to improve a
medicine that does not work, I throw it out and find something
better. And that is what alot of people who look a bsd will do.
>
> Why haven't you come up with a solution yet?
> I'm not part of any "inner circle". I've found problems in the
> OS in my 7 years using it and have filed a couple of PRs. All i
> see you doing is bitching about other people not doing it for
> you. File PRs and write documentation or stop complaining.

Because I am just shopping around now for an os. I haven't made a
decision on using bsd yet; with guys like you in the crowd, I am not
impressed.

>
>> Just could have been written much better I think, that's all.
>> This is true of most comp. docs. They all skip around all over
>> the place. Seems that good writing and good computer skills do
>> not go hand in hand.
>
> This is a group of volunteers...
> are you volunteering?

see above. maybe if the documentation were clearer and the install
easier, and the reception better, I'd be more inclined to volunteer.
I know I could help with the documentation editing, but first I need
to decide if it's worth it, just like you (collective) have decided
that winmodems aren't worth it.

>
>> With BSD I get the feeling take it like it is or leave it. The
>> minimal versions of BSD are neither easy to find nor well
>> supported. Again, only advantage I see to BSD is it's
>> reputation for stability and security. In all other respects
>> linux seems much more developed.
>
> If you don't like it then you are welcome to *suggest* or
> *offer*
> solutions, but don't expect anyone to do *anything* to help when
> you say crap like "why haven't *you* fixed this" or "the
> documentation sucks".
> As far as the stability goes, it's that way for a reason.
> The core
> team spends their time making it stable and secure, not
> supporting crappy, unstable hardware such as WINmodems... which
> is why the Lucents are supported via a port.
> This may explain the logic behind Linux users using modules
> for
> everything, even things that are permanent fixtures in your
> machine... (Slackware) Why be required to make an initrd in
> order to boot from an xfs filesystem? Why not build it in the
> kernel? its beyond me..
>

Ok, whatever, sorry I bothered you.

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