Re: Total Newbie

Jan Pips <jan_pips@xxxxx> wrote:
I think in mist cases we have been talking about our personal experience
and on that basis anyone is entitled to say this system is better then
the other. It is not my fault I do like pf much more than ipfilter. It

Well, pf comes from OpenBSD and ipfilter is supposed to be more system
agnostic, runs on all BSD, Solaris, and some times ago runned on Linux.
If you are speaking of the Linux firewall system iptables, the i agree
with you 100%, its syntax is terrible. But FreeBSD native firewall
ipfw is very similar and not user friendly, in my opinion.

is not my fault I preffer ports over packages. It is not my fault

Well for many years i have found ports marvelous. I am changing my mind
nowadays. First packages in a good Linux distribution like Ubuntu work
objectively very well, and frankly i think only the most fanatic
BSD people will assert that ports system work better. The OpenBSD people
have recognized this fact and are turning to a binary package system as
preferred way of software installation and upgrade. I have written a very
detailed comparison of the FreeBSD/Debian system, and i am convinced that
the only way to have something which really works in a satisfactory way is to
push for binary systems. You can find my report here:
http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~talon/freebsdports.html


FreeBSD kernel and its way to rebuild it is much nicer for me than in
Linux.

It is simpler because there are less modules, and this is in part because
less hardware is supported :-(
Both cases are arduous for newbies and relatively easy for experimented
people. Note that FreeBSD developers themselves push for *no kernel
recompilation* and use of kernel modules as far as possible. So in this
direction you are very close to what Linux distros do.

With respect to many attributes FreeBSD satisfies my needs and
expectations in much better way than linux...and therfore I claim IT IS
BETTER. But in fact it is subjective statement based fully on my private
experience.

Of course, let me add that i prefer FreeBSD myself, but i don't think
there is objectively much to be said in favor of one or the other. The
BSD people like the idea of having a cohesive base system, which is indeed
nice. But if some Linux distro comes with a base sytem which fits your needs,
there is no big difference. Performancewise, FreeBSD and Linux kernel 2.6
are very good on 1 or 2 processors machines, it is hard to find a big
difference. From all reports Linux works better on machines with a lot of
processors. So do Solaris, and Solaris is also a Unix system which doesn't
need to be neglected, because it is *very* good.


I do not agree that ease of use of Windows is far above FreeBSD. It all
depends what kind of "everyday use" we are talking about. If you wanna

Here the proof is simply in the fact that, even with the most dumbed down
and noob friendly Linux distro, 95% at least of said users fly away from
everything else than Windows. Maintaining that Unix is more user friendly
that Windows is akin to saying that these 95% of people, including some
very educated people, including even computer professionals are fools.
In fact the Unix idea of small tools, each doing well its task, and
that have to be combined is certainly admin friendly, but as certainly not
user friendly. People want big monolithic applications, doing everything,
and completely integrated, the Windows way.


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Michel TALON

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