Re: Q: how do I open xterm, run command, and continue manual input?
From: Alan Connor (xxxxxx_at_xxxx.xxx)
Date: 07/27/03
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:28:21 GMT
On 26 Jul 2003 16:59:25 -0800, Floyd Davidson <floyd@barrow.com> wrote:
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> Alan Connor <xxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:57:31 GMT, Alan Connor <xxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
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>>> On 26 Jul 2003 14:07:01 -0800, Floyd Davidson <floyd@barrow.com> wrote:
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> Why did you leave an attribution for me, when nothing I said was
> quoted?
>
>>Well, the difference in usage between running screen on a seperate tty
>>and an xterm is minimal.
>
> I'm not sure what you intended the above to say. It is too
> ambiguous to mean anything. What do you mean by "usage"?
>
Total amnt of RAM. Running screen on a seperate tty actually uses MORE
RAM than doing it from an xterm.
>>However, multiple xterms uses MASSIVE resources compared to the windows
>>in screen, and what's the point?
>
> Multiple xterms do not use "MASSIVE resources". I've got 512Mb
> of RAM in the box I'm working with right now, and it would be a
> bit silly to configure it as if it had 20 Mb and couldn't handle
> another xterm (or 40 of them for that matter).
>
Illogical. I said "compared to". But I was wrong. It isn't massive.
> I just checked to see, and invoking bash ten times eats up 444k
> per instance. Invoking xterm + bash adds all of 326k per xterm,
> so xterm's "MASSIVE resources" amount to 0.06% of my RAM.
>
> Does that put it in perspective?
>
308 for a new screen-window with bash. Adds up.
>>So you can have a carnival on the screen and impress the computer-illiterate?
>
> Some people do, but my screen is very dull looking, and is
> designed to be very utilitarian. Of course, I've been working
> on it for more than a decade, so the fact that it is efficient
> without the excess garbage that you might end up with isn't
> really surprising.
>
Huh? I don't use a GUI. I use a textmode "desktop environment" VERY configur-
able, very fast. No garbage even possible.
>>They don't work any better, and you can still use the mouse to cut and paste
>>between screen-terms or screen-terms and X applications....
>
> If you are running X with a modern cpu, 100 gigs of disk drive,
> and 1/2 a gig of RAM, why would you want to cripple the machine
> by trying to be sparse with resources that are not in short
> supply?
>
> I don't get any thrill out of doing computer work with the least
> disk space, the least cpu cycles, the least RAM usage, or any of
> that. I do get a reward for using less of my time to do the
> same amount of work by effectively using resources that I
> purchased when I put the computer together.
>
Well, *I* do. The more efficient I am, the more things I can add, and the
faster and cleaner they all run.
Why use an X application when there are superior textmode ones available?
Why fuss with plastic rodents when you don't have to?
And like I said, I have TRIED the GUI and it *SUCKS* compared to screen with
a "console desktop" (case menu)
I never have to take my hands off the keyboard (except for sometimes in the
few X-apps I use) and can create and kill windows at will, title them and
flick back and forth in the blink of an eye.
I COULD use split screens and sub-divide those, but find them to be just
annoying: What's the point of having a screen with a few lines of text, or a
paragraph, on it?
Why, when I can just flick back and forth between full screens that have some
room to display info and do work on?
And I HATE having the screen cluttered with toolbars and icons. I just enter
a single letter to bring up a menu with 50 entries, many of them with submenus.
Each of those 50 entries has a *whole line* of explanatory notes, not just a
silly little gif. I can change and add entries in a trice.
In the blink of an eye I can do more than you could dream of with anything as
limited as a GUI.
Errr....I mean that MOST people could do with a GUI :-)
Alan
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