Re: Double Vision - Tridia.

Jerry_at_Trick.com
Date: 09/13/05 

Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:39:41 -0500

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:37:41 GMT, "E Arredondo" <atk@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>
><Jerry@Trick.com> wrote in message
>news:h6vai19eghje901bu6c44t1q132llkg4fo@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:36:07 -0400, Mike Brown <mike@tkg.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>"Brian K. White" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <vfrese@tridia.com>
>>>> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc
>>>> To: <distro@jpr.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Double Vision - Tridia.
>>>>
>>>> > All DoubleVision Pro Users:
>>>> >
>>>> > I am very sorry for any problems you have had contacting Tridia. Our
>>>> > phone lines when down Tuesday morning, September 6th. Due to the
>>>> > hurricane, Bellsouth's service department is very taxed and it took
>>>> > them until Wednesday afternoon, September 7th to restore our lines.
>>>> > Tridia is very much a vibrant company with great products and great
>>>> > people. If you have had any problems contacting Tridia prior to
>>>> > September 6th, please let me know personally. We pride ourselves on
>>>> > being very responsive to customers and if we are not doing that, I
>>>> > want
>>>> > to know.
>>>> >
>>>> > Our website has undergone a major facelift in the last 3 months.
>>>> > Please visit www.tridia.com and let me know what you think. We are
>>>> > also very excited about our new iTivity product. We have a great
>>>> > upgrade path for all DoubleVision Pro users. iTivity comes with a
>>>> > secure telnet client that allows you to access all of your UNIX/Linux
>>>> > systems over an 1024-bit encrypted channel. You can even run your
>>>> > existing DoubleVision or DoubleVision Pro software using iTivity. So,
>>>> > with iTivity you lose nothing and gain everything.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am always interested in feedback from our users. Please feel free
>>>> > to
>>>> > email me directly at vfrese@tridia.com. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Probably exactly none of us wants a windows client.
>>>> Many probably _can't_ trade in the client they're using now for some
>>>> other
>>>> because they rely on special features specific to that client.
>>>>
>>>> We already have various clients with special features that are
>>>> non-negotiable.
>>>> We connect from box to box using all manner of clients and terminals, in
>>>> all
>>>> manner of combinations and chains too that are also non-negotiable.
>>>> Aside from the various windows & mac & java telnet/ssh/facetwin clients
>>>> there are linux/freebsd/sco/solaris/etc consoles, xterm/rxvt on all of
>>>> same
>>>> plus things like cygwin, thin-clients with built-in xterms and
>>>> telnet/ssh
>>>> clients, dialup & serial access using, again, numerous special purpose
>>>> win &
>>>> mac clients, unix consoles, hardware dumb serial terminals, unix cu or
>>>> xc or
>>>> minicom or Century's Term (via any of the clients mentioned so far), and
>>>> add
>>>> to all that, session management apps like gnu screen and sco mscreen
>>>> which
>>>> can be used with all of the above.
>>>> I even telnet and ssh from my Treo600 and Treo650 palmos pda phone!
>>>>
>>>> All of these can be, and are, used in all manner of combinations.
>>>> So far, DV is useful because it doesn't care how you got your tty or
>>>> what
>>>> client, or chain of clients you are using to get there.
>>>> Same goes for ttysnoop on linux and "watch" on freebsd.
>>>>
>>>> Why in the world would anyone give up this flexability? Answer: we
>>>> won't.
>>>> ttysnoop & watch, even though they are bare bones simple compared to dv,
>>>> would be more useful to me than an even more featurefull dv that was
>>>> only
>>>> useable from a particular client (even if it was say, a java client that
>>>> could run on several platforms). And in any event, since the dv client
>>>> would
>>>> probably have to take the place of the other terminal emulator, it's a
>>>> flat
>>>> out no-go just for that reason.
>>>>
>>>> I use special features and integration mechanisms in FacetWin, Anzio
>>>> (both
>>>> serial and tcp), TUN, Anita, Kermit on a DOS boot floppy with custom
>>>> macros
>>>> and keyboard files that runs on ancient 4.7 mhz XT's, etc... that are
>>>> simply
>>>> non-negotiable. Some of the features are not even part of the terminal
>>>> emulation itself, but other factors like how the facetwin client is a
>>>> freely
>>>> downloadable windows installer. It's licenced on the server by counting
>>>> connections, so I can put a link to the client installer on a login web
>>>> page
>>>> and the user does not have to bother with licence keys or web page
>>>> passwords
>>>> and I don't have to worry about illegally redistributing software. Not
>>>> to
>>>> mention how facetwin is the only client that doesn't waste sco seat
>>>> licences
>>>> and that can be prohibitively expensive to live without. Issues like
>>>> that
>>>> must abound and that's just one of many other examples that just I
>>>> myself
>>>> have. Add up the interesting things everyone else must be doing and it's
>>>> surely laughable to expect to be able to say "oh just use this client
>>>> instead".
>>>>
>>>> Brian K. White -- brian@aljex.com -- http://www.aljex.com/bkw/
>>>> +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++.
>>>> filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk!
>>>
>>>Now that OSR6 and UW714 are pretty much the same, will Tridia bring back
>>>DoubleVision? I have installed the old version from UW711 on UW714 and
>>>once the install script is editted it does load. There are some random
>>>run time problems, but ocassionally it does come up and work. Hopefully
>>>that means its a debug job and not a re-write.
>>>
>>>Of course the product is unusable on UW714 because Tridia will not
>>>relicense it, even for existing customers with valid licenses.
>>>
>>>If Tridia is going to abandon the old DV, the best thing you could do
>>>is to release the source so that someone here could debug it.
>>>
>>>As Brian has so well explained, the new version does not handle all
>>>the combinations that we are working with.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>
>> This is a great example of why not to buy something
>> that requires remote
>> licensing upon H/W failure.
>>
>> You paid for it and they screwed you. They did us.
>> Just wanted to relicense what we already paid BIF BUCKS for
>> due to HD failure and they wanted a whopping $599 for
>> an upgrade that we didn't even want!
>>
>> Protect themselves? They got their money.
>>
>> That's why we pulled away from them entirely.
>> Will never look back either.
>>
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>
>Unbelievable!, I'll tell all my colleagues to stay away from these guys.
>Nice products but very bad customer relationships. I've just called to ask
>them about the upgrade price from 3.3 because now I can't use it anymore,
>and it's $499, just because I didn't pay the MAP for 2 years. I hope they
>fire their TOP management soon and change the policy for old customers who
>already invested tons of money.
>

It was a couple of years ago. Sorry if I misquoted some
unbelievably high upgrade cost. And why would I need
MAP for anything? If it is that buggy or difficult to
use, I've already wasted my money upfront.

BTW, my own argument against licensing
is my major fight with our company.
My boss says we should move to another platform
because if SCO goes "tits up", what will we do about continuing
present support? My only argument is that the software is stable
and will be there for most customers for years after
any demise of SCO. H/W failures, mostly HDs, are the next to only
achilles heel of my theory (next to being outdated
by new internet requirements by outside sources).
Right now, it remains to be the most reliable platform
available (5.0.6 and before).

Jerry

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