Re: Where to find SCO Termlite?

Heh. Well, you're right in that it has taken a fair bit of time and
effort to play with free products to try and get what I want, but for
me it's also a learning experience. I try groups first so that I can
learn things; if I can't, or it looks like it won't be worth the time,
then I call a consultant. I certainly do appreciate the volunteer time
and effort people put in in answering these things, and I try to do the
same when I can (woefully, not as often as I wish I could!).

Since I already said that I was looking for a download, and that
someone has had put together our SCO box for us, I refuse to feel
guilty about not knowing what visionfs was or where it's share would
be. :) Thanks out there for the tip that it was on the optional
services CD, that was a good point in the right direction.

And as an aside, since I wanted ten licenses, it's not $25 - it's $250.
And the consultant I DID talk to quoted me $400 for 10 Anzio or $1450
for Facetwin, so it seemed worthwhile trying to find something else for
free that was supposed to come with our SCO system. Especially given
the extremely limted functionality we actually needed.

And I think I made it fairly clear I needed just one pointer: where I
could download Termlite, as I couldn't find it. I *wanted* an off the
shelf solution. It's all I asked for; everything else was volunteered.
When other info was volunteered and seemed useful/interesting, I asked
follow up questions to find out more about it.

I found out myself that termlite existed and was associated with
visionfs via google, but couldn't find a copy of it that I could just
download. Telling me it's on my visionfs share is like telling me that
it's in the basement of corporate headquarters when I'm at a branch
office and just want to run out to the convenience store to get one.
:) Tho I do appreciate it, and all the extra effort you put in
concerning putty et al - very handy! But it wasn't what I asked about,
and I've said several times I wasn't familiar with SCO UNIX (and,
obviously by now, terminal emulators). So it isn't really very
surprising that I would need a lot of hand holding if I ask for
directions to the convenience store to grab something and instead was
handed someone else's 'note to self' kind of thing on how to build what
I wanted instead.


Brian K. White wrote:
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Subject: Re: Where to find SCO Termlite?


Fantastic, that works very well! The only thing that people would
complain about is the graphics characters coming thru as garbage - can
you suggest a fix for that? If not, they can just live with it -
hardly necessary just to put in shipping information. I'll still try
termlite, but I am happy now! :)

That is why I said there are "several settings" and that it is
"inconvenient" and why I said it's practicality depends on "how much clue
you have or want to be responsible for having".
There are more settings than those few, and it's annoying to the point of
being impractical to enter them all manually once each on all N pc's in a
compnay. And then again each time a pc dies or gets reloaded.
Exporting/importing a registry branch works fine and is quicker than doing
it manually, but here's the thing:

_My_ time that it would take to spell out all the settings and describe the
alternate "maybe you need it this way instead of that way and here's how you
tell which" is worth more than the cost of any of the the $25 emulators that
already have fully configured sco ansi emulation even if yours isn't. Call
Aljex up, start the clock, and inside a half hour you'll be running putty
all fully configured and have a .reg file you can import on new machines.
That applies to many here that are consultants. _That_ would surely get
someone accused of trying to answer a question with a sales pitch.
So we don't do that except as a last ditch effort. Even then everyone just
points to Tony Lawrences web site tht has a list of consultants and suggest
you call up someone from it instead of saying "call me". If we know a way to
solve the problem in a very expedient way, we say it.

Also, you mentioned you had AnzioLite for 4 seats for $400? that sounds more
like AnzioWin, which is a much more feature rich product. AnzioLite is only
about $25 (I don't know exactly, if it's $30 don't sue me)

By now I've spent more time than it would have took to spell out the putty
settings but I can't help that.
One of these days I'll make a nice web page with screen shots of the putty
config screens and then it will be quick & easy to answer this very
frequently asked question.
Maybe I'll even include a .reg file that hase a sample config that you can
then just modify the ip address in it.
But until then, it's better for me and you anyone else with a job to point
to any emulator that isn't too expensive that we already know already does
everything the right way for SCO.
In the case of Anzio it's a good choice because it's one menu choice to set
everything for sco, then another simple action to save the config and give
it a name, and another simple action to make a desktop icon that loads it,
and the settings are all stored in a file you can copy to new machines very
simply. Presumably Alphacom is similar in that it has a single choice
somewhere that says "SCOANSI" and that one choce sets up everything. It may
even default to sco out of the box.

This is off topic but FacetWin is even easier, the config file is regognized
by windows and automatically launches the emulator and reads the file, which
so far as I know, no other emulator anywhere has that. That allows you to
not even need to set up pc's at all. Just put one of those files on a web
page and let people click on it. They have to install the facetwin client
first but they don't have to know anything or make any choices, just run and
next next, ok, yes etc... till it's done. after that clicking on .fwt files
works. You can email everyone the url to the fwt file, or the file itself
and let them just save it to desktop and click on it (this way if they make
changes to things like font size, the changes stick). overall result: 0 pc
setup. that's zero. for the last couple years our customers mostly log in
from the internet to our own server and we've never seen their offices nor
do they have IT staff that can even spell unix, and they all get themselves
properly set up before they even call us for pre-sales! Because just playing
with the demo involves logging in. So I mean it when I say zero per pc
admin. What's that worth?

Why should we waste our time telling you how to hammer termlite or putty
into submission when we know all these much quicker and easier and better
solutions?
Termlite actually doesn't take much hammering, but in that case it's finding
it. I think I have one old old box, which does not have internet access,
that has visionfs installed on it. I would have to dial into that box or
google up visionfs documentation to figure out exactly where on the box the
installer is, and/or what form it takes. You could google the same as me.
Spend an hour of my time here for free to save you $25 ? No.
I will, and have almost by now, spend the same hour helping you for free,
but not that way.
You can't have diy cheapness without diy.
The proof that this is the right attitude to take is the very fact that you
asked where to get termlite from. And then still didn't know how to find it
even when told "it's on your sco box in a visionfs share", and then didnt'
know why the characters look funny when someone told you about 1/4 of how to
set up putty.
If you could usefully be given a pointer, then fine, you cold use putty or
termlite because you wouldn't need someone else to figure out every single
little thing and do it for you.
Since that's not the case, you need a ready made solution.
Those you must buy and the price is small enough it's not worth anyones time
trying to avoid it.

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