Re: Solaris and Linux comparison
From: Greg Menke (gregm-news_at_toadmail.com)
Date: 12/25/03
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Date: 25 Dec 2003 15:08:55 -0500
Paul Eggert <eggert@twinsun.com> writes:
> At 25 Dec 2003 13:21:28 -0500, Greg Menke <gregm-news@toadmail.com> writes:
>
> > Oh so you really know all about what my needs are?
>
> No, but I'm curious about it. What percentage of the hardware that
> you bought from Sun 10 years ago is still operational?
All of it. All the hard drives too- though I know Sun doesn't make
them.
> > So you don't have memory errors but the motherboard craps out or the
> > power supply nukes the works. BFD. ECC is a small part of the
> > puzzle.
>
> It's an important part of the puzzle, because it can lead to uncaught
> errors in your data. Fried machines don't do that. For many
> applications -- particularly clustered applications -- uncaught data
> errors are more important than fried machines. (Admittedly there are
> applications where uncaught errors don't matter much: playing video
> games, for instance. :-)
Sure- use ecc by all means. But its not going to help you when the
rest of the box is crap.
> > Last I checked, the Dell salespeople don't know what MTBF means
>
> You rely on salespeople for technical data? I don't do that, even
> with Sun. You should talk to technical people if you want technical
> info.
These were technical conversations w/ Dell reps for a > $250,000
purchase of Dell hardware for a server room. The RAID hardware failed
after a year or so, the tape library is dead, and NT had to be
reinstalled several times. Crapola. Their support is so bad its in
many cases easier to leave the dead junk in place than to try and get
them to fix it. When the fiber channel rig died a month or 2 ago, it
required 3 days of downtime before Dell got someone out to work on
it.
> > I think your problem is you're buying web servers and judging
> > everyones needs on the basis of disposable technology
>
> Not at all. This thread's context was established by Lars Tunkrans,
> who asserted that the $1000 Sun V100 is the "cheapest webserver you
> can buy". I've tried stay within the ballpark of cheap technology in
> this thread. Once your need scale up, Dells are much less attractive,
> and Suns are a much better deal: I quite agree with you on that point.
Then why are you telling me I should be getting rid of 10 year old
hardware?
> > I'm aware that Sun hardware fails too- but I have lots more Ultra
> > 1's and Sparcstations around doing stuff than Dell boxes of
> > equivalent vintage.
>
> So do I. But then I wasn't buying from Dell back in 1996, so it's not
> a fair comparison for me.
I'll extend the point to cover all the x86 hardware I have and/or
maintain.
> I can't resist mentioning, though, that most of the Ultra 1
> workstations that I bought in 1996 died one by one. They came back up
> after I had their CPU fans replaced.
And what is that proving? OEM U1 fans are known to suck. The fans in
my Ultra 2 are still going fine- its pretty much the same age as my 2
U1's.
Gregm
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