Re: NFS slowdown - Solaris client, Linux server.
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Date: 03/06/04
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:51:26 +0100
"Mark Valery" <mevalery@attbi.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Unfortunately, some of us definitely do not have a 1M budget for hardware.
> We are forced to buy the most bang for the buck for a handfull of seats.
> Where I'm planning for a startup, whose life expectancy (good or bad) is
> a few years, a lower cost, faster, PC ( shudder!) is looking more like the
> correct choice. I've worked with Suns for over 10 years. That's my
> comfort zone. Its just that we need the fastest machines that we can
> afford. If they die in 3 years, OK. Electronic design automation needs
> grow so fast that the sun machines that where bought for the last startup
> 3.5 years ago (Ultra 10s, 60s, 450) should not be used for our current
> designs.
Perhaps so, but if you're running a startup, then surely you have heard of
this thing called "tax writeoff" and "depriciation".
If you're looking for cheap number crunching, it's the PC-bucket. If you're
looking for overall throughput and you bought a bunch of PC-buckets to do
the job, you just blew your money on bunch of cheapass hardware. And as an
added "bonus", you should be able to write off LESS tax on your accounting
ledgers. Now that's what I'd call doing yourself a "favor".
> When we have bought sun workstations in the numbers that I'm used
> to (up to 20, maybe 5 at a time), we never got deals like that.
> What sort of total dollar amounts enabled the discounts that you
> refer to?
You shouldn't have any workstations. "The network is the computer", did you
forget your history? A couple of 24/32-bit X-capable terminals can do the
job. And this day and age, any machine can be an X terminal. So again, you
wasted precious funding for your startup by putting computing resources at
the desktop, when they should reside on the server(s). A 100mbps/copper
gigabit switch, several 19" 1U clustered SPARC servers and a few $600
PC-buckets with Linux as the X server/AutoClient would have worked quite
well. It's called cost consolidation, and maximizing your return on
investment. You didn't do either, and I have to wonder why, when there are
so many obvious options right in front of your nose. If you're starting a
company, you need every Dollar/Quid/Euro you can spare. From what you
wrote, it looks like you did the exact oposite. Thinking you're saving
money you spent more than you were supposed to. (And no, I'm not affiliated
with Sun, unfortunately.)
Now for the options. You can get SPARC based servers for as low as $995!
Cluster few of those together and you have a small supercomputing node. For
~$2500 you can get even bigger and better servers. Now $2500 is a pretty
damn good deal considering that a) it's a Sun server class machine and b)
you're not gonna touch a serious PC-bucket server for under $3500, unless
you're building 1-3U form factor PC-buckets with redundant power supplies,
disks and the like. And I'd love to see someone do that on their own for
under $3000 USD, let alone $2500 or even $995.
Next option: register as a developer with Sun, you should be able to get
aggressive discounts.
Yet another option: hire a good UNIX system administrator with logistics and
network design experience that is capable of doing the things I described
above.
If your startup ever takes off and starts making money, switch to SGI
clustered Origin servers, since it looks like you need number crunching and
visualization capabilities.
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