Re: The SUN Marketing Department is WORTHLESS.
From: Logan Shaw (lshaw-usenet_at_austin.rr.com)
Date: 02/26/05
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:03:14 GMT
Mike Cox wrote:
> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:BFRTd.53054$911.5547@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>
>>Mike Cox wrote:
>>>I'm about to release my "nsh" (pronounced "new shell") command under
>>>the CDDL. This innovative command will make system administration
>>>easier for OpenSolaris systems.
>>>
>>>But how can I release my command when OpenSolaris is not here?
>>I guess you could download the free (as in beer) version of Solaris
>>and test against that.
> I wish I could. But did you see how large that download is?
Yeah, when I downloaded it a few days ago, I noticed it was 4
CDs, and each was about 500 MB. This seems pretty comparable
to the size of a download for some Linux install images.
> The SUN
> marketing department is probably the worst I've ever seen. Release a
> product, and not have CD Media for purchase. I'd pay 90 dollars for a
> couple of Solaris 10 CDs. But does SUN have them up?
Would you pay $120 for them? That's the price that's listed for
"1 Year Additional Media -- Pull Delivery". According to how I
understand the plan, you pay $120, and then at any point for
one year, you can go to the web site and request physical media
related to Solaris 10 (including OS install CDs but also CDs with
patches on them) and they will be sent to you.
However, I do admit that that web page that describes this at
http://store.sun.com/ is a bit unclear. I'm not sure if I have to
also order the Basic Service Plan (for another $120) to be able
to sign up for the Additional Media thing.
If you're actually interested in getting a copy of the download and
really can't download 4 CD images, you could call 1-800-SUN-0404 in
the US and ask them what the cheapest way is to get install media.
Although if it is $240, it is probably cheaper just to order
high-speed internet service at home and download it. :-)
> This is quite stupid IMHO. Because at my company we use Windows, and Linux.
> I'd recommend we switch to Solaris 10, but since I haven't played around
> with it at home, only at a friends house for a bit, I cannot make a personal
> recommendation as I'd have to support it. I know enough about linux that I
> can admin the boxes, but until I personally know I can handle Solaris 10, I
> won't put my reputation on the line.
It might be unwise to consider transitioning to any operating system
you don't have a lot of professional experience with. That is unless
it's a very gradual transition.
> Of course the SUN marketing really screwed up the naming on JAVA. JAVA
> naming is so convoluted that my Boss would prefer to go with .NET because it
> is easier to remember. He doesn't like being corrected when he can't
> remember the proper version and gets JAVA 5 confused and thinks it is later
> than the 1.4 version.
Yes, I agree that Sun's marketing department comes up with some
dumb names sometimes. Not that I think other marketing departments
don't do the same thing.
For isntance, 3.1 -> 95 -> 98 -> ME -> 2000 -> XP -> Server 2003
is hardly any more logical than the Java naming sequence.
Unfortunately, marketing people don't like consistent naming
schemes because they get tired of the old names and want to
switch to something different after like a year or two.
> I'm not refusing to release anything. My command will be released to my
> website soon, and to Usenet under the CDDL. Hopefully my understanding of
> Solaris 10 will be enough to get it to operate. If Solaris follows the
> POSIX standards, I'm certain that my command will run.
Then it may well be no big deal to get it to run. If it doesn't,
then perhaps someone who is interested in using it can contribute
a patch. That's how open source software often works. Developers
don't usually have access to every single platform that their
software can run on.
- Logan
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