Re: Is Sun sincere about encouraging new Solaris users?
- From: "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:28:50 GMT
"Shannon Jacobs" <Shannon.Jacobs.nospam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1170099591.101753.291480@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The DVD version of Solaris is not an option because the target machine
is somewhat older and does not have a DVD drive. It's basically my
primary scratch monkey.
DVDs are cheap at Best Buy or the local chop shop. Just the convenience is
worth it. Even then if the old hags are CD only, you only need to burn one
and net boot the rest.
However, from reviewing the entire discussion, it seems pretty clear
that the answer to my original question is "No, Sun is not sincere
about encouraging new Solaris users."
Solaris, while it can be a desktop is priarily a first class server OS. I
keep all my data on Solaris as I have systems running Solaris 7 Intel --
they truly keep on going - and going - and going. I use IMAP with that
thing called Outchoke Express as I don't trust M$ anything. I replicate
data to other sytems with rdist (not available to Windows) for backup. Hard
drives are cheaper than tape and unix can treat drives like tapes.
I regard that as unfortunate. In spite of the personal ad hominem
attacks mixed into the thread, I think I do appreciate a good OS as
well as or better than most folks. Heaven knows I've suffered with
enough bad ones over the years. However, I also appreciate Larry's
three virtues. Or perhaps I should simply state that I am not a
masochist looking for fresh forms of pain. The evidence is pretty
clear, both from Sun's website and this discussion, that Sun is
indifferent or even hostile towards new users.
Not hostile, just takes more knowledge to get started. To become good at
anything takes investment of time and effort. Few people today do. Thus
they loose out. No investment --> no results. It is why M$ industry costs
so damn much, when the registry gets corrupt and no one knows how to fix it.
Not even those that built it.
Sun's decision not to encourage new Solaris users is obviously
reasonable in some ways. One obvious example is that less
sophisticated users will be looking for more help in comparison to
more technically sophisticated people. However, I do think it
unfortunate that Microsoft's position has become so strong that no one
is even willing and able to seriously enter the field of battle. They
could have waited 10 more years before waltzing out Vista and it
probably wouldn't have made any difference--but I'm still going to do
my best to never own a Vista machine (though of course I expect to be
inflicted with them at work).
To learn UNIX or Linux, to be really good at it is going to take 1000's of
hours of effort. I have programmed and run almost every top 10 OS since
1980 -- that being said it takes time. Microwave junkies are never experts
at anything.
For example, if your not willing to learn C, you will never know why EVERY
OS is written in it. Oh yea, .NET, VBX, Perl, Java, Python bigots all know
a bit, but C is the F18 of OS development. It takes years to learn C,
marginally.
Microsoft is a monopoly, simple. Can you buy a Compaq or Dell system
without Windows, perhaps with Ubuntu, SUSE or RHat? The answer is, if they
do offer it is more even though the OS costs them next to nothing they want
$5000-1000 more. M$ is a legalised anti-competative monopoly plain and
simple. Lousy servers too.
Your a troll, go off and play with Windblows.
On Jan 29, 11:56 pm, "Canuck57" <dave-no_s...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Shannon Jacobs" <Shannon.Jacobs.nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in<older snip>
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At this point, I think not. Or is Solaris really such a piece of
bloatware that Sun is unable to condense it to a single installation
CD?Solaris has more in it's distribution than does distros like Ubuntu.
Why not download the DVD version of Solaris? It is one burn.
Me, I installed at least 20 systems this weekend and didn't burn a
single
DVD nor a CD. I just powered up VMWare on my portable, pointed it to a
Solaris DVD ISO image, installed it. Then setup DHCP and install server
and
booted other systems from it. Once I had one each of Intel and Sparc
installed, I tailored the images and made flash archives. The rest of it
was easy... Can't do that with Microsoft or Ubuntu's native distribution
without buying something else like ghost.
Yes, I run Unbuntu too. It is very good as an entry level stand alone
Linux
workstation. Solaris targets a different breed.
.
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